Life must be rough when you are a hate filled racist or other type of nutcase.
As hard as it is to believe, a nation of sickos are still having a hissy fit over the fact that a black man is president of this nation.
With nothing else to go on, they now are pretending that they don’t believe that President Obama was born in this country.
Sad. So sad and their hatred hurts no one but themselves. That level of hatred is going to eat them from the inside out. The amount of energy that they are putting into their sick lies is scary. You’d think that Obama is all they ever think of.
Press on the picture above. It’s his birth certificate.
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Their hatred is sickening and unbelievable. The whole premise is STUPID considered his mom is an American citizen. Just as military men have affairs (or marry) foreigners, although the child is born in Asia (or wherever) and not on a military facility, the kid is still an American thanks to dad.
But let them tell it, he’s a Muslim, non-American, Socialist.
I am not a nutcase or a racist, I present to you facts regardless of skin color or hypothetical assumptions. Your website has a quote at the top of the page: “all truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them”. With this article you are not following your own advice and I pray that you hear what I have learned in my research on this topic.
There are two issues with Obama’s eligibility that were raised before the DNC convention and before the election. They have been taken to the supreme court over 30 times prior to inauguration, only to be told that US citizens have no “standing” or proven “damages” that would allow the lawsuits to be heard. None of these lawsuits were heard based on the merits of fact.
Issue Number One: The only legally presentable definition of “Natural Born Citizen” (one of only three constitutional requirements to be President of the US), was written in Emmerich de Vattel’s, Law of Nations (original French version) years before the constitution was written. In 1797 (a decade after the Constitution was adopted), the English translation of Emmerich de Vattel’s, Law of Nations was revised to confirm the term “natural born citizen”. The revised English translation helps to clarify the meaning of “natural born citizen”, as English-speaking people generally understood it towards the end of the 18th Century:
“The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. … I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.” (Vattel, Law of Nations, Book 1, Chapter 19)
We know that writers of the US Constitution and other democratic leaders around the world used this book as one of the primary references when writing the constitution. Example – Benjamin Franklin (a signer of our Constitution) wrote this in a letter to Charles W.F. Dumas, December 1775,
“I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations. Accordingly, that copy which I kept (after depositing one in our own public library here, and send the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed) has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author”?
This definition has been confirmed again in at least THREE US supreme Court cases: Minor v. Happersett (1874), US v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), and Perkins v. Elg (1939)
If this is the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” – then Obama is not qualified because his father was not a US citizen according to Obama’s own word.
Issue Number Two: Obama provided a “Certificate of Live Birth” that is provided by the Hawaii Department of Health and is the same certificate issued to CHILDREN BORN ABROAD. This means that unless he submits a Birth Certificate with the doctor and hospital listed – he cannot legally prove he was born in the US. Also, there are birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers listing Obama, however those newspapers confirm that they get all of their announcements from the Hawaii Department of Health, so if Obama was born outside of the US it would still be in the newspaper. Also, there have been comments about the Department of Health confirming that Obama was born in Hawaii – this is not true. Hawaii Health Department Director Fukino verifies that they hold Obama’s original birth certificate in accordance with the department’s policies, however the department nor director Fukino confirmed that he was actually born in Hawaii.
I have been researching this issue since before the DNC convention, and I beg you to provide a more factual investigation. If you doubt the facts I have presented, please comment and provide your sources and I will follow up….but please for the sake of your own intelligence – don’t call me a racist, nutcase, or sicko as you did in your article. Just stick to the facts. I am not having a hissy-fit, lying, pretending, or hating as you also mention in your article. I did my research because I felt I was being lied to – and a lot of US citizens think they are being lied to as well, so give them a fair shot at presenting factual evidence instead of rushing to judgment when you yourself do not have all of the facts.
First of all sir (or ma’am), I would like to thank you for taking the time to sit down and put your beliefs in writing.
The quote at the top of my blog is by Galileo Galilei, the brilliant astronomer.
I am honest enough to admit that I find it both distressing and supremely offensive the lengths that people will go to to try to discredit our Harvard educated black president who was born in this country. No other president or candidate (including John McCain, born in the Panama Canal) have been put through this nonsense over nothing. It is hysterics.
1. If President Obama was not a citizen, don’t you know that the Clintons would have shut him down, considering how badly she wanted the office of president?
2. I just went upstairs to my file cabinet and pulled out the folder that says “birth certificate”. There are two documents in there. Keep in mind that I was born in Baltimore, Maryland.
Document #1 (which is what was given to my mother when she left the hospital with me) is called “Notification of Birth Registration”. I recall it being rejected when I went for my drivers license many moons ago. They told me to go and order my birth certificate.
Okay, so what I was given and what was accepted by the MVA as well as the Post Office when I applied for my passport is as follows:
State of Maryland
Department of Health and Mental Hygiene
Division of Vital Records
CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
It goes on to give a state file number, my name and sex, date and place of birth (hospital is not named…only state)….my mother’s first, middle and maiden name and age and state of birth (West Virginia) and my father’s name and age and state of birth (Alabama). The time of my birth is also noted: 3:15 a.m.
NOTE that no place on the form does it mention “birth certificate”. It says exactly what our president’s says. CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
No doctor is listed and it is NOT signed! However, somewhere on record is the original which I am certain IS signed. My birth weight is not even listed on my birth certificate.
So are you telling me that if I were to run for office, I would not be trusted due to having a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, as Obama has?
My husband was born and raised in New York and I have not seen his birth certificate; however, he told me that his does actually say “birth certificate”. It simply depends on what state you were born in.
3. Newspaper reports from that time verify that he was indeed born there
4. FACTCHECK.org has checked out the documents and verify that the birth certificate is authentic
5. The GOVERNOR of Hawaii checked out the documents (he is a Republican) and verified that they are real
What else does this black man have to do? He was born in Hawaii.
I would suggest that the “birthers” go find a hobby and get over the fact that their brilliant leader is a black man.
Gee wiz!
PRESS HERE to read the verification article by FACTCHECK.org
Oh, and another thing.
For you to suggest that because President Obama’s father was not born in the country, then Obama (who WAS born here) could not possibly be a citizen is INSANE. INSANE. His mother was also born here by the way.
Do you know how many American citizens are walking around with fathers or mothers or BOTH parents born in China or India or Latin America, etc., yet THEY were born here and are citizens AND are eligible to run for office of the presidency?
Birthers, you are sounding reaaaaaal crazy. Please find a hobby!
When will you (self proclaimed Christians who voted for Obama) see past this man’s skin color and realize that Obama is not a follower of Jesus Christ…..AND NEVER HAS BEEN? Why have self proclaimed Christians repeatedly overlooked the fact that Obama completely goes against biblical teaching concerning homosexuality, so much so, that he has declared the month of June to be gay pride month? He completely goes against biblical teaching concerning life, so much so, that the FIRST thing he did once in office was reverse the ban on federal funds for international groups that promote or perform abortions! He has voted 3 consecutive times against protecting a baby who has survived an abortion and said that if a woman becomes pregnant and does not want the baby, she can get an abortion and does not need to be punished by having to raise that baby. But yet you continue to focus on how others are mad because a black man is president?! Who cares what color Obama is!! Say what you want about Bush, but America is in even more trouble because of who you’ve helped (I am black but I did NOT vote for Obama) put in office. I’ve come across this recent blog entry that explains it very well.
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Diva….the calming tea, please (and QUICK!)
What is the meditation chant? OHM……..
Okay, now I’m calm.
1. Diamond Gem, FIRST of all, what is a self proclaimed Christian? My understanding (as an ordained minister of the Gospel) is that to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is ALL I need to do to be saved. And to follow Jesus Christ of Nazareth is ALL I need to do to be Christian.
Do you have a Heaven or hell to put someone in? And are you the reader of hearts?
Did you read the rules before signing here? If the first post is disrepectful, I ban. This post is an attack. Don’t come back here.
I WILL NOT be attacked on a blog that I own and pay for out of my pocket. Period!
2. This thread is about whether or not President Obama is a citizen of the U.S. Are you now saying that to be a citizen, he needs to be a born again Christian?
And since you are NOT GOD and NOT a reader of hearts, how have you concluded he’s not Christian?
3. What does abortion (which I’m against and say so on this blog) have to do with him being a citizen?
You are waaaaaay off base and off balance, ma’am.
Did you hold George Bush, Reagan, and Clinton to the same standards to which you are holding the president?
Of course not. You are a handkerchief head negro trying to hold down a black man.
Don’t come back here.
P.S. – The fact that you had to mention that you are black causes me to wonder what race you actually are.
Hi Lynn,
Here is a point by point response to your response, I would like to make sure that you and I are on the same page and that you are not misinterpreting the facts I have provided you. I am being very specific….I am not meaning any insult – I trust you are a very smart person.
I understand he is Harvard Educated – do you know who paid for his education, or if he got a grant, what name and citizenship he submitted on his Harvard admissions records? No you don’t because he has them SEALED and will not release them. So are his Occidental College records, and much of his life’s history. Can you really say you have heard of him a year before the primary even when he was a Senator? We really don’t know this guy – and since he is hiding most of his past…one must be cautiously suspicious.
John McCain WAS put through a congressional whatever you want to call it because he was technically born in Panama. Even though he is a War Hero born to two US Citizens serving proudly in the Military on a US military installation overseas. One constitutional expert sued both Obama AND McCain as being technically not Natural Born Citizen for this reason. Also, No other presidential candidate has been allowed to run for office WITHOUT having two US citizen parents because generations have understood the definition of “Natural Born Citizen” requiring US Citizen Parents. (notice I am NOT talking about “Citizen” – Obama can be a Citizen of the US and be a Senator, but he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen which I provided you the history of the definition, understanding, and confirmation in the US Supreme Court via the previous post I made).
Answer to your item 1. I don’t think that many people understand the proper way of verifying or “vetting” a candidate’s qualifications. Is this done at the state level where they have to register to be a candidate? Does the party’s convention do it? Of course he has to be a citizen since he is a seated senator, he looks like he is over 35 years of age, and we assume he has been here 14 years. I am sure that it isn’t something competing candidates really go after, considering if they are wrong that they will basically self-implode in the polls. One Vice-Presidential nominee filed a lawsuit – his name is Alan Keyes, and he has a history in the US, he served under Reagan I think and has been on the political scene for a while.
Answer to your item 2. Your official documents may have come from a state that ONLY issues to children born in that state. The fact is that Hawaii issues these documents to children who have ALSO BEEN BORN ABROAD. So you do NOT know that he was born in Hawaii or in Kenya until you see an official ORIGINAL document that says the hospital and doctor with signature. Yes I am saying that if you refused to release a copy of your birth certificate (when questioned about your virtually unknown past because you have hidden everything else like Obama) I would not trust you.
Answer to your item 3. The newspapers have confirmed that they get their announcements from the Hawaii Department of Health. So – if Obama was born in Kenya, and the Hawaii Department of Health gives his mother a certificate of live birth, then the newspaper will print the announcement of the birth in the Hawaii newspaper. Do you see how this could happen but look very legit and cause people to wonder why people like me are questioning? Even if my suspicions are in fact the truth?
Answer to your item 4. You obviously don’t realize how close Obama and factcheck.org are. That is another discussion. But there is also some legitimate dissecting of the scanned image that shows that this document may have been altered, AND a story that leaked that the Hawaii Department of Health did not issue a paper certificate for Obama or the DNC in the year that they claim they got it. I think it would be best for all of us if he would submit that exact document in a court of law, do you agree?
Answer to you item 5. The governor of Hawaii is a woman not a man. Gov. Linda Lingle made NO statement acknowledging that Obama was born in Hawaii. I beg you to find one. She did however make a statement, as well as Dr Fukino of the Department of Health, and the spokeswoman of that department, that original doctor-generated and hospital-released birth certificate is on file with the state’s health department would be released to the press if Obama so requested. You will not be able to find a quote from any official that they have in fact verified that he was born in Hawaii, only that they have the birth certificate in accordance with their policies (refer to my answer above). I think Obama should request it be released, don’t you?
Don’t bring race into this. I am not a racist and you are insulting me to think that my argument has anything to do with race.
We obviously have to agree to disagree here – I don’t consider him my leader, and although I think he is a very bright guy, I think his strategy is not in the best interest of the American people. Again you mention race – I don’t think it makes you look good to refute my facts with racial remarks.
On your next remark – you are misquoting me. I didn’t say that his father had to be born in the US…I said that in order for Obama to be a “Natural Born Citizen” his father and mother had to be a citizen at the time Obama was born. That is the definition I provided you in the previous post and that is the constitutional requirement to be President of the United States. I am not saying he is not a citizen, however I am not saying that he IS a citizen considering he was adopted by an Indonesian and lived in Indonesia for years as a child. He could have revoked his US citizenship, traveled to Pakistan using his Indonesian passport, and received US federal grants for education provided to foreigners for Occidental AND Hahvaad (oops, Harvard). But I can’t prove that, and you and others cannot prove otherwise until we see the documents.
Again, you are trying to argue against my facts by calling me crazy, why don’t you just stick to the facts. And Again – this really has nothing to to about whether he is a US citizen – you have to be a Natural Born Citizen which has been defined as one born on a country’s soil to parents who are citizens of that country. His mother was a citizen, his father was NOT a citizen, and so it doesn’t matter if he was born in the US but we aren’t REALLY sure he was born in Hawaii anyway.
Let me know if you can find facts to dispute this. I will add them to my research.
When you realize that people are stuck on whatever their false belief is, it would be beyond insane to keep engaging the person.
So now FactCheck.org is “friends” with Obama and that is why they were able to check out the documents and prove it’s authentic.
The conspiracy is sooooo deep that even the governor of Hawaii (a republican) is in on it…and of course his mother knew when he was a baby that he’d run for president so she quickly put in a birth announcement in the local newspapers.
Okay. Whatever. I’m through with this. Thanks for taking the time to share your views.
By the way, this “N152sm” character is obsessed with Barack Obama. A Google search showed numerous boards he is on to discredit our president. I really wish this guy would find a hobby. Nascar?
http://theobamafile.lefora.com/n152sm/blog/
http://twitter.com/n152sm
http://usjf.net/archives/1251
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/release-the-vault-copy.html
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1. Don’t come into my “house” making little snide remarks
2. Don’t come in here telling me what quotes I need to remove on something I’m paying for out of my pocket
Why are you still coming here? I gave you space to spew forth your vomit.
You are barking up the wrong tree, as the people here have written you off as a lunatic.
I posted links to other blogs to show your obsession with President Obama.
BANNED – Don’t come back here. Take it elsewhere.
Door slammed! Comments on this thread are closed.
Lynn